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dsha9 GutFeel Senior

Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 64 Location: Melbourne AU
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| Aditi77_k wrote: | | Legalising prostitution will definately increase the number of youths and married people visiting the prostitutes. Besides contracting diseases, their life and relationships back home will be onthe rocks. How many homes have broken when the man spends money on other women even though he may not be able to support his home. These are the rights of the people to remain healthy, to have lasting relationships which i am talking about. |
I would have to disagree with that, do you think that because prostitution is illegal, its keeping back many men from going to prostitutes. Right now when its illegal, If it would have been me then i would rather think first about my principles, family etc. & not the legal part because its as good as being no issue. so according to me the number of men going to prostitutes will be the same.
I would also have to disagree with, contracting disease, once the sex industry is legalised, educating people about safe sex will become easier, as it would be under govt. regulations, educating sex workers & the population will be easier. Did you know right now india has the second largest HIV infected population. I am not telling that this is due to unsafe sex, but a huge percentage of that is. |
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anshulseth Moderator

Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 73 Location: Kolkata
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 11:11 am Post subject: |
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HI ppl,
Well, i read a lot of views on the topic in the forum,.
But still, none cud convince me 2 take a stand. I mean, there r equally good n bad reasons for legalizing prostitution.
Prostitution is a part of the society, n evry1 shud accept it, u cannot shut off a thing by putting ur back on it.
They are a curse to happy families, as they tend 2 break relationship, as ppl find recourse in outside sources to satisfy their carnal instincts.
But, on the other hand, they also provide an outlet to the pent up feelings n anguish of ppl who feel left out in society.
they no doubt lead to a hifgh chances of transmitting diseases like AIDS,
In india, its a very shabby n unorganized industry which is up n thriving in evry little city, one cannot put a lid on them easily.
The sex-workers r tortured, r illiterate, unaware of the pitfalls of indulging in such behaviour.Its just tht they don't hv ne other meansto earn money than to sell flesh.
So, legalizing this indutry wud definitely help their cause, they wud b less harassed, less truamatised, more aware of safe sex, n wud earn respect in society(if not they, their family wud b much better).
But, on the other hand legalising it wud open avenues for those ppl who always wanted to go there but were afraid of harassment or publicity.
The number of these ppl r apenty, n they wud b the ones to catch on this idea.
Who knows, then , instead of curbing diseases, v in fact wud increase the risk.
IAlso, a society high on such attitude will soon decay.
Wht say u, |
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Aditi77_k GutFeel Senior

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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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Jan:
I agree with you that if a person seeks love outside a relationship then the relationship is weak. But there sure are ways to mend it rather than leaving it to fate. And if the prostitutes are available so easily and brothels start running legally, wouldn't it lead to end of that realtionship? I feel that prostitution harms the fabric of society. Also, as emotional commitment is inextricably linked to physical commitment, it harms an ongoing relationship as well.
Dsha9:
You would think about your principles and values but have you ever thought of those poor girls who are forced into this profession. Can you say that prostitution is a good career option for a girl and thus should be legalised to take care of their rights. In fact, when you come to think of it, they do not have a genuine choice. They are often encouraged to work before they are old enough to make a decision for themselves. |
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Editor Site Admin

Joined: 09 Apr 2004 Posts: 337 Location: India
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Posted: Fri Sep 03, 2004 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| anshulseth wrote: |
The sex-workers r tortured, r illiterate, unaware of the pitfalls of indulging in such behaviour.Its just tht they don't hv ne other meansto earn money than to sell flesh.
So, legalizing this indutry wud definitely help their cause, they wud b less harassed, less truamatised, more aware of safe sex, n wud earn respect in society(if not they, their family wud b much better).
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Aren't the above reasons enough for you to favour legalizing the world's oldest profession. I don't understand why some people are against it, because the activity is consensual and one party is getting paid for it. One thing is for sure that they can't be done away with, then why not give them some better living conditions. |
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dsha9 GutFeel Senior

Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 64 Location: Melbourne AU
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Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2004 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Aditi77_k wrote: | Jan:
I agree with you that if a person seeks love outside a relationship then the relationship is weak. But there sure are ways to mend it rather than leaving it to fate. And if the prostitutes are available so easily and brothels start running legally, wouldn't it lead to end of that realtionship? I feel that prostitution harms the fabric of society. Also, as emotional commitment is inextricably linked to physical commitment, it harms an ongoing relationship as well. |
What you think will happen, if porstitution is legal, is already being happening. Prostitutes are available easily & brothels are working easily, it already does what you have mentioned above.
| Aditi77_k wrote: |
Dsha9:
You would think about your principles and values but have you ever thought of those poor girls who are forced into this profession. Can you say that prostitution is a good career option for a girl and thus should be legalised to take care of their rights. In fact, when you come to think of it, they do not have a genuine choice. They are often encouraged to work before they are old enough to make a decision for themselves. |
This is the reason why it should be legalised, so that young girls are not forced into the profession, they are given the rights to do what they want to do. & no prostitution is not a good career option, & also not for the ones who are forced into it, & so govt should step into it so that they could have a genuine choice to what they can do. And for the ones who want this career path, niether i or you, nor it being legal or illegal can stop it. So why can't we give them a healthier & a better future.
We shouldn't be so selfish, just thinking about our relationship with our partner rather than the kind of life these sex workers are living. You have claimed from the start that legalisation would end relationships, that means either of 2 is not happy with the relationship. You shouln't blame that on prostitution. |
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RebelliousOne GutFeel Senior
Joined: 11 Jul 2004 Posts: 64 Location: Arkansas
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Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2004 11:28 am Post subject: Re: Should Prostitution Be Legalised? |
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[quote="dinesh1947"][b]Prostitution [/b]has been a part and parcel of society down the ages. In the time of the rajas and maharajas the courtesans had their own status in society. Certain behavioural norms governed how the courtesans were treated and they too had their own special clients/patrons, to whom they granted favours.
Under the British rule prostitution was made illegal and the trade went underground but continued to flourish. Today it is rampant and has attached to it many stigmas and taboos, besides being a nodal point of STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) the most deadly being AIDS.
If prostitution was legalized sexual health of sex workers could be better regulated. More stringent measures could be taken against spread of AIDS and various other venereal diseases.
It would also empower sex workers to have a right to choose their client. They would not be forced into unwanted situations as even after they have become sex workers they have the right to take the protection of the law from unwanted soliciting. It would also give more dignity to their profession.
Legalisation of prostitution is likely to bring down the rate of sexual crimes and a woman may safely work the streets of a city at night without the constant fear and threat of being molested.
On the flip side it may be argued this may possibly endanger the family structure; if sex is freely and legally available outside the home.
So, what is your[b] Gutfeel[/b] ? Should prostitution be legalized?[/quote]
dinesh1947:
Prostitution is the second oldest profession in the world, true enough; but it is not the "courtesans" or concubines that are the subject when we talk prostitution; indeed, it is the street-walking whore that panders to the lowest order of society; that rents her body to anyone who meets her price. These whores cannot -- will not -- be regulated (as though the answer to everything is government regulation).
Prostitution has destroyed families; and it will continue to do so as long as immoral women see a profit in renting their bodies to any man with a gnawing lust. This situation is not good for any society. It leads to the destruction of families and, therefore, must be eradicated from society.
As you pointed out, prostitution spreads disease. But what is your answer? More government regulation, which means yet another tax-bloated government bureaucracy that is more interested in perpetrating its existence than in solving any social problems? Thank you, but no thank you. Government involvement only breeds bureaucracy, and an ever-worsening situation.
No one can control the whores. We may have all the safe guards in the world set up to keep the prostitutes clean and healthy, but there will always be some whore who refuses to be regulated, and who spreads disease. Your answer to the problem of prostitution borders on fantasy.
Whores all ready choose their "Johns". Go to any major city in the world, and you'll witness whores saying no to men they don't like, or who they feel are not safe to have sex with. This is a spurious point.
These whore deserve no dignity. They willing allow themselves to be pimped to anyone with the right price. What dignity is there is that?
The West has liberalized its sex laws for the last 20 years, but all that it has gotten us is more sex crimes. Permitting whore to walk the streets does not reduce sex crimes; indeed, the more liberal we get, the more crime we get. Golly, do you think there is a correlation?
I must, out of necessity, reject you entire argument. Everywhere legalizing prostitution has occurred, the rates of STD, divorces and sex crimes have increased. I'm sorry, but one does not cure the problem by embracing it; indeed, one merely perpetrates the cycle of defiling women to the level of sex object.
Bottom line: If you want your women to be pure in spirit and body, one does not allow them to act the whore, or the slut; it cheapens them and endangers the bedrock or any civilization --> the family.
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dsha9 GutFeel Senior

Joined: 23 Aug 2004 Posts: 64 Location: Melbourne AU
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Should Prostitution Be Legalised? |
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RO,
There are always 2 side of a coin, how can you blame everything on prostitutes, If the population(men) stops going to brothels it will stop anyways. The reason for prostution is not just not women renting their bodies for monies but the men who rent them as well. The society is equally faulty as much as prostitutes are.
Dude prostitution being illegal, has anyways led out to a AIDs apedemic. If not regulated then even spread more. Since the start i have been reading that prostitution will end families, are the prostitutes the only one liable for that not the person who leaves his wife & goes to another women. It is impossible to eradicate prostitution then why not make a better life for everybody.
dude you are just thinking from your side of the coin, destroys families, spread diseases, what about what the sex workers, you don't care what they live in, you don't care if they live or die, don't care how they are treated, & after all people like you & me (men in general) are the ones who keeps this profession alive. |
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RebelliousOne GutFeel Senior
Joined: 11 Jul 2004 Posts: 64 Location: Arkansas
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Posted: Thu Sep 09, 2004 10:13 am Post subject: Re: Should Prostitution Be Legalised? |
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| dsha9 wrote: | RO,
There are always 2 side of a coin, how can you blame everything on prostitutes, If the population(men) stops going to brothels it will stop anyways. The reason for prostution is not just not women renting their bodies for monies but the men who rent them as well. The society is equally faulty as much as prostitutes are.
Dude prostitution being illegal, has anyways led out to a AIDs apedemic. If not regulated then even spread more. Since the start i have been reading that prostitution will end families, are the prostitutes the only one liable for that not the person who leaves his wife & goes to another women. It is impossible to eradicate prostitution then why not make a better life for everybody.
dude you are just thinking from your side of the coin, destroys families, spread diseases, what about what the sex workers, you don't care what they live in, you don't care if they live or die, don't care how they are treated, & after all people like you & me (men in general) are the ones who keeps this profession alive. |
dsha9:
Your point is well made concerning the responsibility of men in contributing to the existence of prostitution: If there were no clients, there would be no business. However, I must point out that throughout history, it has been women who gained control over men by using their lust to seduce them. I fully realize that lust is one of the seven deadly sins, but leave it to a woman to exploit it for her profit <lol>.
My source of information is about six months old, and I cannot even remember at what site I saw it, but it did not list prostitution as a leading cause for the spread of AIDS/HIV. About 65 percent of AIDS/HIV cases are among homosexual men and intravenous drug users -- but don't quote me on the 65 percent figure; the actual rate may be slightly higher or even lower, but whatever it was, the above two groups comprised the whopping share of the blame.
Prostitution is listed among the 'also rans' for transmitting those diseases: Bites, pokes, blood transfusions, heterosexual sex, et cetera were also inccluded with prostitution.
Still, simply because a behavior is regulated does not mean that everyone will obey the regulations. Perhaps that is why we have a class of people we call criminals; they don't want their behavior regulated, very much like the prostitutes who ply their trade in spite of laws to the contrary.
No, prostitutes are not the only ones who break up families. Adultery is quite common in liberal America these days; indeed, both men and women do it. There, too, are other reasons, such as alcoholism, in-laws, economics, drugs, insanity, et cetera. Should we also "dignify" these other reasons for divorce by regulating them? The idea is not to regulate the problem, but to end it.
You are correct; I do not care what prostitutes live in, I do not care if the live or die and I do not care how they are treated; 'ell, I feel the same way about 98 percent of the world's human population; but then, I'm a cantankerous old recluse; so take my opinion for what you feel it is worth <lol>. Seriously though, I care more for the lost soul who is trying to claw her way out of the gutter of prostitution. That is a soul that wants to change its evil ways, even repent, and for that person, I would gladly help her in any way I could.
You say, "...after all people like you & me (men in general) are the ones who keeps this profession alive...." Again, you are correct; however, men would not be lusting around dark street corners unless they had high expectations of sastisfying their lusts -- if you catch my drift.
If you want to regulate prostitution, I say fine; but let's do it with stiffer penalities for the whores and jail time for their pimps -- and if that does not alter their unacceptable attitudes, at around the fifth or six conviction, we circumcise the woman and give their pimps a nip and a clip, too. Now that is my idea on how to regulate prostitution, and a whole lotta other crime, as well.
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dsha9 GutFeel Senior

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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 4:58 am Post subject: |
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RO:
http://www.worldbank.org.in/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/SOUTHASIAEXT/INDIAEXTN/0,,contentMDK:20161744~pagePK:141137~piPK:217854~theSitePK:295584,00.html
the link of worldbank bank says the reason for aids in india, 84% is due to unsafe sex & 70% of sexworkers deny using condoms. If you donnot know about it just stop giving your own projections, if you are giving your views/estimates than stand by it & if not, stating of whole point makes no sense.
Why do you think everything negative if the sex industry is regulated/legalised. To be fair to it, lets give it a 50-50 chance.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/04/08/60minutes/main610961.shtml
according to cbs Aids is out of control in india. It now has the largest hiv infected population than any other country in the world. If not stoped it can be the reason for weakening India's army, and damaging India's economy. Dude its already out of control, so think until now its been illegal & see what has happened. So if legalised has to turn better for the country because it can be no worse.
Anyways why do you care for 2% of world population too, if you donnot care what people live in & u don't care what happens to anybody just want to present your hated views against prostitutes & because you hate them they souldn't be treated as what you say. Similar persons are the one who donnot want to accept the problems of the society, & just cough out hated views as to so called evil. dude, you(in general) have made this evil, so accept it, its a part of life now, so rather than hate show some love.
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RebelliousOne GutFeel Senior
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Posted: Fri Sep 10, 2004 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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dsha9:
I am having difficulty reading your messages. I do not know if the reason is because English is a second language for you, or because you refuse to write in simple English or use a spell checker. Nevertheless, I shall reply to your message as best as I understand it.
You say, "...the reason for aids in india, 84% is due to unsafe sex & 70% of sexworkers deny using condoms...."
That may be true -- in India, but not in the US; indeed, homosexuals and introvenous drug users comprise the largest groups of HIV/AIDS-infected people here.
Further, I see that you have failed to factor in the Indian homosexuals and introvenous drug users into your calculations, which tells me that you may not be on the up and up with us. Sexually transmitted diseases (STD) are on the increase world-wide among homosexuals, which include HIV/AIDS. I have no figures dealing with Indian homosexuals, but I bet they are a large part of that "84 percent" figure you mentioned.
Why do I think everything negative about whores being regulatred/legalized? Because criminals do not obey laws -- or regulations; that is why. All your reply offers is a band-aid approach to the problem. It does not cure the disease of women degrading themselves for a dollar, or whatever passes for a dollar in India. These women have no dignity, self-respect or decency.
And what is your answe4r? Let's reward the whores and their pimps by bringing
them under government control? Super; but that applies only to a very small percentage of whores and pimps. The vast majority will contine to defy the law and spread disease because they do not want a government telling them what to do between their legs.
CBS? Golly, give me a break. CBS is no better than a propaganda machine for the very establishment that is profiting from the degradion of women. The issue here is not to regulate their degradation, but to elliminate it -- and to put those women into happy homes with happy husbands; to give them a future that does not include HIDS/HIV.
As I have said all ready, I do not care for the whores and pimps who revel in their own debasement; indeed, the whores should be circumcised and the pimps should be nipped and tucked in the most intimate of places.
My compassion -- my charity -- is reserved for those souls who want to escape from the sewer of prostitution --> and not for those lost souls who wallow in their own defilement. Indeed, it is not me who is the problem for society -- after all, I'm not selling my azz to some stranger who has AIDS/HIV, syphilis, or the clap; it's some cheap little whore -- or gay boy --who doesn't play by the rules of civilized society.
You're caught in your own contradiction, kid. You cannot have a moral society when that society allows immorality to flourish; it's an oxymoron; a paradox; a blatant incongruity.
Yopu are not thinking straight.
You are making excuses for th inexcusable.
The object is to stamp out prostitution and its pimps, not regulate it so that the State can make a profit from a woman's degradation, too.
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