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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 6:06 pm    Post subject: Are you in favour of stem cells research? Reply with quote

For the uninitiated, embryonic stem cells are a mass of cells, which have the unique property to proliferate and differentiate into any kind of tissue of the body. For example, they have the capacity to turn into the muscle cell, the nerve cell, or the blood cell. They can in fact be directed to differentiate into specific cell types. This unique capacity of the human embryonic stem cells makes them a significant source of research and exploration of the countless opportunities in terms of prevention of different diseases.

Many chronic and fatal diseases like cancer, diabetes, heart disease and several birth defects and the dreaded diseases like Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s can be treated by harnessing stem cells. In addition, at present humans who need organ replacements have to depend on donated organs and tissue and further research in the field of stem cells will also benefit this field. Human stem cells can also be used to test new drugs. Thus, there exist a whole lot of fields where the research on stem cells would benefit the human race.

However, there have been strict objections to the research by many religious groups on grounds that the culling of stem cells kills the embryo, and it is highly unethical to take away the precious life force. And this is a point of our debate that whether or not we should promote a research, which raises a question of ethics.

Keeping the sentiments of the people in mind, the US has imposed strict restrictions on the stem cell research and has limited it to only specific cell lines. But there is a host of potential that remains unexploited.

My gutfeel on the issue is that any restriction in the stem cell research is unwarranted. I feel that if the stem cells are cultured in vitro, i.e. outside the human body solely for the purpose of research then there should be no argument like that of taking away a life. The purpose for which they will be used, for curing ailments, is very noble and should be undertaken with full vigor.

To me the promise of stem cell therapies is indeed awesome and thus any form of obstacle to the research seems unjustified.

What do you feel about the issue? Is it ethical to continue the research...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On this one i agree with you editor. The research should continue and funds should be allocated for the same.

I see it as a step forward in the medical history and thus i support it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya i am in favour...if it is for the good...but my only concern is that the research should not be taken advantage of by some crooks Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well i would say that i am in favor of stem cells research but this effort should not be used to produce clones...it might well be used to cure diseases which affect mankind badly.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recent Update:

Stem Cells to Take Focus at Convention
By MALCOLM RITTER, AP

NEW YORK (July 26) - Stem cell research, a topic that long ago spread beyond the laboratory and into politics, will catch the spotlight briefly on Tuesday at the Democratic National Convention.

A speech by Ron Reagan, a son of the late President Reagan, will be just the latest development that has kept attention on this difficult and controversial field.

Of course, Reagan's death from Alzheimer's disease in June gave a new push to the stem cell advocacy by his widow, Nancy Reagan. Soon afterward, Cambridge University announced it would open a major center for research into stem cells.

Earlier this year, the British government opened a national stem cell bank and American researchers announced they'd created new collections of embryonic stem cells, the kind of stem cell most of the hubbub is about. Those steps added to what many scientists call the inadequate inventory approved by the White House for federally funded research.

John Kerry, the presumed Democratic nominee, has already said that if elected he'd overturn those funding restrictions. Kerry was among 58 senators who recently urged President Bush to relax his policy, which forbids federal funding for research on embryonic stem cell lines created after Aug. 9, 2001. Bush said he won't change his mind.

More stem cell politics are on the horizon. In November, California voters will decide whether to approve a $3 billion bond issue to finance stem cell research. Also this year, the United Nations will revisit the issue of whether to propose an international treaty to ban "therapeutic" cloning - which produces stem cells from cloned embryos - as well as "reproductive" cloning, which makes babies.

Embryonic stem cells are prized because of their ability to morph into all the cell types found in the body. So scientists are eager to learn how to use them. The most publicized use would be the treatment of diseases like diabetes, Parkinson's and spinal cord injury by coaxing the cells into becoming replacement parts for damaged tissue.

"Of course we don't know whether it will work. If we did know, we wouldn't have to do the experiments," Harvard researcher Douglas Melton told a meeting of U.N. delegates recently. "We cannot promise we will succeed," he said, but the cells are "one of the best chances we have."

The controversy arises because of where the cells come from. When an embryo is about five days old, it's a sphere composed of about 200 cells, just barely visible to the naked eye. Embryonic stem cells come from the interior of this sphere, and to get them, the embryo has to be destroyed. That's abhorrent to people who consider an embryo to be a developing human life that must be protected.

As for cloning to produce an embryo, that's "wrong because it treats human life as an object of manufacture," Cardinal William H. Keeler of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said recently.

The controversy is not going away anytime soon. So let's look at some basic questions behind this confusing topic:

Q. Nancy Reagan's advocacy put the focus on using stem cells to treat Alzheimer's. Will they be useful there?

Maybe. But most scientists say that because of the way Alzheimer's attacks the brain, it would be too much of a challenge to try cell replacement therapy, at least in the near future.

"It's not where I'm putting my money at the moment," said Lawrence Goldstein of the University of California, San Diego, who hopes to use the cells instead as a laboratory tool to study Alzheimer's.

He plans to introduce Alzheimer's-promoting mutations into human stem cells and then turn them into brain cells in a dish. That way, he says, he can study the very earliest steps that eventually wreck healthy brain cells.

After all, he says, studying the ravaged cells of an Alzheimer's patient is like inspecting debris from an airplane crash when "what you really want is the black box." Work like his could be useful for developing and testing drugs, he said.

Other scientists say similar work could be applied to other illnesses.

Q. Why use therapeutic cloning to get stem cells?

In this procedure, scientists remove the DNA of an egg and replace it with that of another person. The egg is allowed to develop into an embryo. Stem cells from that embryo, a clone, would provide a genetic match to the person who donated the DNA.

So, such cells could be turned into brain tissue or insulin-producing pancreatic cells, for example, which could be transplanted into that person without rejection by the immune system. Or, in a variation on Goldstein's plan, the cells could be studied in the lab for insights into the person's disease.

Scientists who support therapeutic cloning stress that it's different from "reproductive cloning," in which the embryo would be implanted into a woman to grow into a baby. Most scientists oppose that, calling it risky and unethical.

Q. How long would it take therapeutic cloning to create cells for treating a patient?

Current lab procedures take too long to be practical, and it would take a lot of work to shrink the process to perhaps one to three months, said Dr. Rudolf Jaenisch of the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research in Cambridge, Mass. He said he didn't know if or when that's possible.

Time is an important factor. John Gearhart of Johns Hopkins University figures it could take months to a year, which he called too long if the cells are needed for victims of spinal cord injury, stroke or heart attack. Chronic diseases might leave enough time, he said, but there's still the question of which patients could afford it. Just the wealthy?

So some experts are looking at other stem-cell strategies, regarding therapeutic cloning as just an interim step. One idea is developing banks of diverse stem cell lines with carefully chosen immunological traits, so that lots of patients could find a close match and minimize rejection risk.

Q. Aren't there alternatives to destroying embryos?

Yes. The best-known alternative is adult stem cells, which are found in various tissues. Recent studies suggest these cells are remarkably versatile too and may provide another source of cells for therapy.

"We clearly have to explore both adult stem cells and embryonic stem cells," says Dr. John Wagner of the University of Minnesota's Stem Cell Institute. Each type might be better for treating some conditions than the other, and "we need to figure out where the embryonic stem cells are better than the adult stem cells, and maybe vice versa."

Eventually, Gearhart and others say, scientists hope to learn enough to be able to reprogram ordinary cells to take on the primitive, blank-slate condition stem cells present. Then nobody will need to destroy any embryos to get stem cells.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Are you in favour of stem cells research? Reply with quote

Editor wrote:
For the uninitiated, embryonic stem cells are a mass of cells, which have the unique property to proliferate and differentiate into any kind of tissue of the body. For example, they have the capacity to turn into the muscle cell, the nerve cell, or the blood cell. They can in fact be directed to differentiate into specific cell types. This unique capacity of the human embryonic stem cells makes them a significant source of research and exploration of the countless opportunities in terms of prevention of different diseases.

Many chronic and fatal diseases like cancer, diabetes, heart disease and several birth defects and the dreaded diseases like Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s can be treated by harnessing stem cells. In addition, at present humans who need organ replacements have to depend on donated organs and tissue and further research in the field of stem cells will also benefit this field. Human stem cells can also be used to test new drugs. Thus, there exist a whole lot of fields where the research on stem cells would benefit the human race.

However, there have been strict objections to the research by many religious groups on grounds that the culling of stem cells kills the embryo, and it is highly unethical to take away the precious life force. And this is a point of our debate that whether or not we should promote a research, which raises a question of ethics.

Keeping the sentiments of the people in mind, the US has imposed strict restrictions on the stem cell research and has limited it to only specific cell lines. But there is a host of potential that remains unexploited.

My gutfeel on the issue is that any restriction in the stem cell research is unwarranted. I feel that if the stem cells are cultured in vitro, i.e. outside the human body solely for the purpose of research then there should be no argument like that of taking away a life. The purpose for which they will be used, for curing ailments, is very noble and should be undertaken with full vigor.

To me the promise of stem cell therapies is indeed awesome and thus any form of obstacle to the research seems unjustified.

What do you feel about the issue? Is it ethical to continue the research...


Editor:

Bottom line for me: If someone must die to keep me alive, I don't want to live; and whether that person who must die is an adult, or an embryonic, human being is immaterial; the fact remains that a human life must perish to continue my life -- and that is unacceptable.

You state: "Many chronic and fatal diseases like cancer, diabetes, heart disease and several birth defects and the dreaded diseases like Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s can be treated by harnessing stem cells."

That is not a true statement. I have followed this controversy closely for many years, and the only claim that has ever been made in favor of using stem cells is that they MAY cure the afflictions you noted; but the operating word here is MAY, not can.

But even if such usage of stem cells can cure those diseases, just how many human beings must perish to extend another person's life; and where do we stop? If we discover that a fully matured human has a hormone or a chemical substance that could extend human life, do we then clone humans and let them mature just to harvest their life-giving substances?

Good grief, what a perverse generation!

Has life become so cheap that we now willingly sacrifice our children just so that we may live a minute longer?

No, this I will not accept. This is evil in its purest form. If children must perish to keep others alive, then my gutfeel is to let those others die. "Suffer the little children;" let them live, even if it means you must die. Do not kill another to extend your own life. That is wrong; indeed, that is murder.

RO


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no problem with Stem Cell Research whatsoever.

Embryonic stem cells are harvested from surplus frozen embryos left over from IVF treatment. A ball of cells approximately 5-6 days old - a blastocyst. Non human, I would much perfer that research be done for the future good of humankind than just tossed in the rubbish when they are of no use to anyone.
No one dies in the process, but the potential for a healthy life and cures for certain diseases and ailments is paramount.

As with any other form of new research - until it has been around a while and there is more hard evidence that it is a succesful means of curing and preventing disease then there will continue to be the shock factor.

I can remember very vividy the uproar that was caused when the notion of making a test tube baby first cam about. And now it is a common practise and hailed by many as a godsend. Things change. Give it a decade or so and the world will be in awe. Ya can't halt progress!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 02, 2004 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RO:

I believe that stem cell research has a vast potential. Though I understand your sentiments, but would like to clarify that there is a controversy on whether the initial embryonic mass of cells can be called a human being.

Another point is regarding the value of an existing life versus the embryonic cells. I will value the life of a four year old suffering from a birth defect more than the mass of cells, which can be used to cure him. I have heard of cases where couples conceive again just for the sake of their first child so that the second child’s bone marrow can be used to cure the first one.

So can you ignore the sufferings of a human being with whom you have spent a part of your life for the sake of a mass of cells. I don’t think it is ethical…

And yes these cells MAY help in curing diseases but my gutfeel is that at least this ‘may’ has a ray of hope.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jan wrote:
I have no problem with Stem Cell Research whatsoever.

Embryonic stem cells are harvested from surplus frozen embryos left over from IVF treatment. A ball of cells approximately 5-6 days old - a blastocyst. Non human, I would much perfer that research be done for the future good of humankind than just tossed in the rubbish when they are of no use to anyone.
No one dies in the process, but the potential for a healthy life and cures for certain diseases and ailments is paramount.

As with any other form of new research - until it has been around a while and there is more hard evidence that it is a succesful means of curing and preventing disease then there will continue to be the shock factor.

I can remember very vividy the uproar that was caused when the notion of making a test tube baby first cam about. And now it is a common practise and hailed by many as a godsend. Things change. Give it a decade or so and the world will be in awe. Ya can't halt progress!


Jan:

You say, "Embryonic stem cells are harvested from surplus frozen embryos left over from IVF treatment. A ball of cells approximately 5-6 days old - a blastocyst. Non human...."

Your argument is impeached by the very terms you use to define it. In vitro fertilization may be artificial, but it is still firtilization; and the consequential blastula that you call a "ball of cells" is, in actuallity, an embryo at the stage of development in which it consists of usually one layer of cells around a central cavity, forming a hollow sphere; indeed, it most definitely is "human" in the sense that it is human life at an early state of development -- but a life that is destroyed in a vain effort to extend another person's life.

Stem cell research is not about "progress;" it's about murder -- the taking of human life; and no matter how many people may hail it as progressive, it still results in the death of one human to artifically extend the life of another -- and that is the very worst form of parasitism.

Oh, by the way, your comment about the "test-tube babies" is non sequitur. We are not talking about technology, per se, but about the end result of that technology which, in one case, leads to life and, in another, to death; the former is acceptable, but the latter is homicidal.

Best regards,

RO
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt wrote:
Recent Update:

Stem Cells to Take Focus at Convention
By MALCOLM RITTER, AP

NEW YORK (July 26) - Stem cell research, a topic that long ago spread beyond the laboratory and into politics, will catch the spotlight briefly on Tuesday at the Democratic National Convention.

A speech by Ron Reagan, a son of the late President Reagan, will be just the latest development that has kept attention on this difficult and controversial field.

Of course, Reagan's death from Alzheimer's disease in June gave a new push to the stem cell advocacy by his widow, Nancy Reagan. Soon afterward, Cambridge University announced it would open a major center for research into stem cells.

Earlier this year, the British government opened a national stem cell bank and American researchers announced they'd created new collections of embryonic stem cells, the kind of stem cell most of the hubbub is about. Those steps added to what many scientists call the inadequate inventory approved by the White House for federally funded research.

John Kerry, the presumed Democratic nominee, has already said that if elected he'd overturn those funding restrictions. Kerry was among 58 senators who recently urged President Bush to relax his policy, which forbids federal funding for research on embryonic stem cell lines created after Aug. 9, 2001. Bush said he won't change his mind.

More stem cell politics are on the horizon. In November, California voters will decide whether to approve a $3 billion bond issue to finance stem cell research. Also this year, the United Nations will revisit the issue of whether to propose an international treaty to ban "therapeutic" cloning - which produces stem cells from cloned embryos - as well as "reproductive" cloning, which makes babies.

Embryonic stem cells are prized because of their ability to morph into all the cell types found in the body. So scientists are eager to learn how to use them. The most publicized use would be the treatment of diseases like diabetes, Parkinson's and spinal cord injury by coaxing the cells into becoming replacement parts for damaged tissue.

"Of course we don't know whether it will work. If we did know, we wouldn't have to do the experiments," Harvard researcher Douglas Melton told a meeting of U.N. delegates recently. "We cannot promise we will succeed," he said, but the cells are "one of the best chances we have."

The controversy arises because of where the cells come from. When an embryo is about five days old, it's a sphere composed of about 200 cells, just barely visible to the naked eye. Embryonic stem cells come from the interior of this sphere, and to get them, the embryo has to be destroyed. That's abhorrent to people who consider an embryo to be a developing human life that must be protected.

As for cloning to produce an embryo, that's "wrong because it treats human life as an object of manufacture," Cardinal William H. Keeler of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops said recently.

The controversy is not going away anytime soon. So let's look at some basic questions behind this confusing topic:

Q. Nancy Reagan's advocacy put the focus on using stem cells to treat Alzheimer's. Will they be useful there?

Maybe. But most scientists say that because of the way Alzheimer's attacks the brain, it would be too much of a challenge to try cell replacement therapy, at least in the near future.

"It's not where I'm putting my money at the moment," said Lawrence Goldstein of the University of California, San Diego, who hopes to use the cells instead as a laboratory tool to study Alzheimer's.

He plans to introduce Alzheimer's-promoting mutations into human stem cells and then turn them into brain cells in a dish. That way, he says, he can study the very earliest steps that eventually wreck healthy brain cells.

After all, he says, studying the ravaged cells of an Alzheimer's patient is like inspecting debris from an airplane crash when "what you really want is the black box." Work like his could be useful for developing and testing drugs, he said.

Other scientists say similar work could be applied to other illnesses.

Q. Why use therapeutic cloning to get stem cells?

In this procedure, scientists remove the DNA of an egg and replace it with that of another person. The egg is allowed to develop into an embryo. Stem cells from that embryo, a clone, would provide a genetic match to the person who donated the DNA.

So, such cells could be turned into brain tissue or insulin-producing pancreatic cells, for example, which could be transplanted into that person without rejection by the immune system. Or, in a variation on Goldstein's plan, the cells could be studied in the lab for insights into the person's disease.

Scientists who support therapeutic cloning stress that it's different from "reproductive cloning," in which the embryo would be implanted into a woman to grow into a baby. Most scientists oppose that, calling it risky and unethical.

Q. How long would it take therapeutic cloning to create cells for treating a patient?

Current lab procedures take too long to be practical, and it would take a lot of work to shrink the process to perhaps one to three months, said Dr. Rudolf Jaenisch of the Whitehead Institute for Biomedical Research in Cambridge, Mass. He said he didn't know if or when that's possible.

Time is an important factor. John Gearhart of Johns Hopkins University figures it could take months to a year, which he called too long if the cells are needed for victims of spinal cord injury, stroke or heart attack. Chronic diseases might leave enough time, he said, but there's still the question of which patients could afford it. Just the wealthy?

So some experts are looking at other stem-cell strategies, regarding therapeutic cloning as just an interim step. One idea is developing banks of diverse stem cell lines with carefully chosen immunological traits, so that lots of patients could find a close match and minimize rejection risk.

Q. Aren't there alternatives to destroying embryos?

Yes. The best-known alternative is adult stem cells, which are found in various tissues. Recent studies suggest these cells are remarkably versatile too and may provide another source of cells for therapy.

"We clearly have to explore both adult stem cells and embryonic stem cells," says Dr. John Wagner of the University of Minnesota's Stem Cell Institute. Each type might be better for treating some conditions than the other, and "we need to figure out where the embryonic stem cells are better than the adult stem cells, and maybe vice versa."

Eventually, Gearhart and others say, scientists hope to learn enough to be able to reprogram ordinary cells to take on the primitive, blank-slate condition stem cells present. Then nobody will need to destroy any embryos to get stem cells.


Matt:

That was an excellent article. I was impressed with its fair and balanced treatment of such a delicate subject. As might be expected, I favor the use of adult stem cells to concoct all the wonderful cures such research promises; at least that way, there are no bodies to bury.

RO
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