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anshulseth
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 6:39 pm    Post subject: Fate of a rapist. Reply with quote

Hi ppl,
I am writing after some time, but would like to bring to light a topic that is of relevance, and has come into forefront in India in the past few days.
Its about giving death sentence to a rapist.
As a preface I shud tell ppl, the person in question raped a 14 yr. old girl in Kolkata in 1990. He was caught and put behind bars. After much court hearings, he was given death sentence as a final verdict. But just when he was about to be hanged, the skeleton has come outta coffin, and has become a burning issue. The President of India has intervened to put a stay on his death, and will come out with a final say on it.
Lot many NGO's n Human Rights Activist groups are coming up in favour of not giving death penalty to him.

I don't understand wht human rights they are talking about.This person broke the victim's nose and foodpipe, before raping him. Is he human? So, why talk of human rights, they are for humans and not for animals.

My views on this issue are very extreme. I feel a rapist should be given the harshest possible punishment.The time his guilt is proved, he should leave this world. Mankind would feel relieved to get relieved of such a person.

Rape does not only kill a person physically, but kills the survivors mentally.Its such a ordeal that shud b best left unexplained.
Even after knowing this truth, i don't understand why decision is slow or even dead on such issues. Then n there, finish the matter.

In India, sometimes back, a national political party tried to put to moot the idea of capital punishment for rapists, but God knows wht happened to tht proposal.
It shud b implemented and made a law. A precedent shud b set that wud make ppl shiver dreading this zone.

The society has to take the cudgels to end the menace.
If tomorrow, Dr. Kalam stays the death penalty on tht person, I wud b one among many persons who wud b defeated.
And it will not just b my defeat or a few ppl's defeat.
It will b the defeat of the country and the society in toto.

Whts ur gutfeel?
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Neogen
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that it i a controversial issue, but do you think a death penality is the end of this issue. I think if the person is kept alive and made him truely realize his fault...it would be better....

i don't think capital punishment serves the purpose...
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And it will not just b my defeat or a few ppl's defeat.
It will b the defeat of the country and the society in toto.

I don't feel i will feel defeated in such situation....the person should be traeted likewise in my opinion....
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stay order on the capital punishment of a rapist has again heated up a sterile debate of whether death punishment should be abolished. My gutfeel is that it should be abolished..i agree with neogen on that one...you will agree that death relieves the person of all the sufferings...the person who raped the fourteen year old might be hanged and still he might think that he has done nothing wrong. This might be the perspective which has led Dr. Kalam to stay the punishment.

The act was indeed very gruesome but then how do you make the accused feel the physical and psycological suffering which the victim has gone through. I think the person needs to be treated for his emotional bankrupcy and should be rehabilitated.

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Even after knowing this truth, i don't understand why decision is slow or even dead on such issues. Then n there, finish the matter.

What are your views Anshul keeping the new perspective in mind?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ye, I can see some rationale in ur arguments.
But still i don't feel that cud b the solution.
Such a person has been mentally sickened, and may spoil his companions wherever he goes.
Also, in the name of politics, it wud not b hard to find ppl who even come out in support of a rapist.
Also, just tell, if imprisonment wud hv been such a force in putting fear in the minds of ppl, we wud hv less crimes.
It is death that will act as a deterrent, mayb not for some but still for many.
The very sight of a person getting shot in the public place for dealing in such heinous crime, will drive shiver in the spines of ppl.

So, i stick to my argument though accepting the moderate arguments.
But I feel they will not serve the purpose.

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Ankur
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 01, 2004 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that other than death there can be no other remedy...i feel Dr. kalam does not go overboard to save him...he should be shot to death...that would help leaving impression on other peopl's minds. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that it is an extreme case and you guys have almost convinced me that Dhananjoy Chatterjee should get a death sentence.

However, i would like to point out that most of the countries have now abolished capital punishment. To quote TOI "A total of 118 countries have abolished the death penalty in law or practice". Now the debate is what is the motivating factor that led them to abolish it...can anybody throw some light on this Question
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You folks are just letting that person go....

I will again say, make that person realize of what he had done.

Do not give him a easy way out Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that killing the rapist is an easy way out...we don't want to set any example rather he shud be made aware of what he has done.. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:10 am    Post subject: Hang 'em High Reply with quote

Editor wrote:
The stay order on the capital punishment of a rapist has again heated up a sterile debate of whether death punishment should be abolished. My gutfeel is that it should be abolished..i agree with neogen on that one...you will agree that death relieves the person of all the sufferings...the person who raped the fourteen year old might be hanged and still he might think that he has done nothing wrong. This might be the perspective which has led Dr. Kalam to stay the punishment.

The act was indeed very gruesome but then how do you make the accused feel the physical and psycological suffering which the victim has gone through. I think the person needs to be treated for his emotional bankrupcy and should be rehabilitated.

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Even after knowing this truth, i don't understand why decision is slow or even dead on such issues. Then n there, finish the matter.

What are your views Anshul keeping the new perspective in mind?


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Editor:

I hold a peerless point of view regarding convicted rapists because I worked in a medimum-security prison in California for eight years. During that time, I never met a rapist who felt remorse for his crimes; indeed, all bragged about the "bitches I bagged." Such lack of compassion and regret convinced me that the havoc they brought onto their victims warranted the most extreme punishment -- the death penality, and especially so when a minor was involved.

Some nicks may argue that death relieves the guilty of of their deserved suffering, or even that the condemned may go to the gallows believing he did nothing wrong. My only reply is, "So...?" The death penality does not relieve the guilty of anything but life; and by taking his life, we inform other would-be rapist that if they should follow their baser instincts, and are caught, they will be sent speedily along their way to the ultimate Judgement, from which the guilty never escape. More to the point, however, is that when the criminal is executed, it can be guaranteed that that particular rapist will never again prey on innocent women.

But perhaps I am being too harsh; or possibly I lack empathy with the poor, misguided and socially-abuse ravager of women and girls. Maybe, instead of seeking blood, I should become more humane and, instead, channel the criminal into treatment and rehabilitation; and in so doing, possibly salvage the former misfit of society so that he may again become a productive member of our little community -- and maybe pigs can fly, too.

A rapist is not insane, schizophrenic, psychotic, psychoneurotic or non compos mentis; he is criminal; he knows exactly what he is doing, and he does not care that it is a violation of law, decency or morality; all he cares about is getting what he wants, which could be someone's mother, sister or daughter. Such criminals are not up to rehabilitation; indeed, the recidivism rate in California for rapists is an whopping 95 percent, even for those who have been confined to state hospitals.

My gutfeel is that people who talk "rehabiliation" are thoroughly unaware of the realities of the criminal mind; these people cannot be rehabiliated because they are not "sick" -- they are preditors who have proven themselves to be worthy of the lowest contempt that society has to offer -- and that is death.

I say hang the rapist and be done with it.

RO
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can fully empathize with RO as he has worked in the security prison and has witnessed the reality of the situation as none of us have. Rape is indeed a heinous crime and on the face of it death seems to be the only option for the rapist.

However, having said that, I reiterate that an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is not always a viable option. Can finishing off the rapist undo his crime? Can the innocence of the victim be brought back by the death penality of the rapist? Why is it that so many nations around the world are against capital punishment?

The rapist may not feel a bit of remorse for his act but what is the root cause…is there a serious defect in his upbringing…should we focus more on the primary education to instill the correct values…or we can just put our hands up and say that nothing can be done and criminals are born not made…but is it actually so…
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